In this session, Dr Elias Tsakos, FRCOG, Medical Director of Embryoclinic, Thessaloniki, Greece, has been talking about advanced fertility assessment and fertility surgery such as laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, but also Robot-assisted laparoscopic surgery “Da Vinci system”etc. as a valuable tool that can be used in fertility treatments.
In thyroid function testing, I would include TSH, T3, T4, Anti-TPO and anti-G antibodies. If everything is normal, in my opinion, you don’t need to do anything else. TSH levels need to be optimal, which is a maximum of 2.5- 2.9, but less than 3. Although the normal TSH range is up to 4 for fertility patients or patients wishing for pregnancy or pregnant women, we would like this to be ideally 2.5, so if the TSH is higher than 2, 3, for example, if it’s 2.9, and everything else is normal. I would just repeat it in six months, and that’s it.
Now, if it’s more than 3, if one of the antibodies is high or both of them, then I would perform a thyroid scan because that may reveal some other anomaly. I would advise talking with your GP. Thyroid function has to be perfect for everyone. It is even more important for fertility patients and pregnancy. I would urge my patients, all the viewers, all the listeners tonight to ensure that they’ve seen your GP, your family doctor, to make sure your thyroid is functioning normal and 100%.
It’s difficult to say. I can’t remember the levels, every lab has different levels for Anti-TPO, so if it appears within the normal range for your lab, then that’s fine. If it’s higher and that together, with the TSH is occasionally at 3.6, it may mean that it was too high. You probably tend to suffer from what we call Hashimoto’s disease. I would suggest seeing your GP and organize a scan of the thyroid gland and if the scan is normal, which hopefully it will be, but if it’s abnormal, of course, the GP will advise you.
However, if it’s normal, I would just keep measuring the TSH. You have two options. One is to keep measuring TSH and ensure that it’s under 3, and the other is to take supplementation of thyroid hormone, T4 hormone, not to bring the antibodies down, but to ensure that you will not have fluctuation of your TSH. The standard fertility advice for women who are even starting Hashimoto’s disease is to supplement the thyroid gland with a very small dose depending on your weight. The dose between 25 and 50 micrograms of the T4 hormone to ensure that the TSH level is within the normal range. Keep checking them every six months.
As I showed you on my slide, hysteroscopy is an outpatient procedure where a specialist is inserting a fine tube with the camera and the light into the uterus to examine the cavity. It’s a similar procedure to a gastroscopy, which examines the stomach, or a colonoscopy which examines the bowel. Hystero in Greek is the uterus, so it’s a uterine endoscopy, and I would highly recommend doing it.
Yes, it can. It’s not as common as being too high, but anything outside the range requires a visit to the GP, or the endocrinologist if you’re in Europe.
I don’t know the answer. It depends on your circumstances. I mean, in general, if you have no history of failed IVFs or miscarriages, if you are under the age of 40, if you have no other indications on the scan, I would not go straight to hysteroscopy. However, I would do some further scanning assessment. The aqua scan might be an option for you if hysteroscopy is not indicated. If there is an indication for hysteroscopy, in my opinion, it is advanced reproductive age.
If somebody is over 40, the chance of having pathology which is missed is higher, so perhaps screening hysteroscopy might be a good idea before IVF. It would increase your pregnancy chances, that’s for sure. We have published a 10% increase in our egg donation program if we perform hysteroscopy. If you had a miscarriage, and you’re 40, go ahead and have it done, but remember that the hysteroscopy is only assessing the lining of the uterus It does not check the tubes. If you have a history of miscarriages, you’re over 40, and you haven’t had a tubal assessment, I would probably suggest a standard X-ray tubal assessment. This is better, if not much better, compared to an Aqua scan in diagnosing hydrosalpinx, which you would like to exclude before moving on.
I have to be diplomatic here. Perhaps there’s been confusion between antibodies. People think of antibodies like antibodies against coronavirus is indicating an infection. It doesn’t work like this on the thyroid. The presence of anti-TPO antibodies means that your body somehow is fighting your thyroid gland, that’s why it’s called thyroiditis, as in an inflammation of the thyroid. However, it’s not a virus, related inflammation is an autoimmune inflammation. The presence of Anti-TPO antibodies means that your thyroid gland is constantly under attack, not in the past, now. Every time it identifies that your thyroid is being attacked, that’s why it is a very good measure to go on thyroxine to ensure that the thyroid is functioning normally, despite the attack.
In my opinion, it doesn’t have to do anything with the past, it’s a current situation, it would probably not change. I would keep on the supplementation, checking the thyroid tests perhaps. In Greece, we’re a little too alerted about it, we do the test every six months, but once a year is a must to ensure that the doses are correct. I would also have a thyroid scan to ensure that there’s no anatomy damage. Taking 25 micrograms is fine, it’s probably a low-ish dose, but it’s fine. If you weight 50 kilos or 60 kilos, it’s fine because the TSH levels are normal. Generally, yes, we treat between 25 and 15, but this is something to be discussed with your doctor.
This is tricky, I would suggest a laparoscopy to assess that. Now, removing a nodule in that area could be tricky, complex and challenging. Even in the best surgeons hands, it could be associated with more endometriosis cancer all over your pelvis. I don’t want to scare you. I would suggest a laparoscopy, perhaps, in the first instance to see or exclude if there’s more endometriosis. Whether I would remove that or not, depends on the skills and the expertise of the surgeon. In my opinion, yes, if I had a laparoscopy and if the nodule is there and if it’s causing problems and if it’s painful, I would probably attempt to remove it. Although it could be a very challenging procedure.
I would probably align with the second opinion. The HyCoSy can tell us if the tube is open, but it cannot tell us if the tube has hydrosalpinx, if it’s bloated. The gold standard for this is laparoscopy. The second-best is the X-ray HSG, so in my opinion, I would also consider going straight for a laparoscopy instead of messing around with tubal assessments, which even in the best hands cannot be accurate by definition as a method. As a second option, I would do X-ray HSG.
It’s a very simple answer, absolutely not. I don’t think the ERA test should be a standard, and I challenge whether it should be even an advanced test. I don’t think, at the moment, scientifically, we’re convinced of its value, of course, it’s there, but to be honest, I think there’s a lot of means to assess the implantation window. We can do this very successfully without resorting to controversial and expensive tests. Not as a standard and maybe not even as an advanced test.
Unfortunately, there’s no huge effect on anything we could suggest. However, it is important to be healthy, to take supplements, consider DHEA perhaps, and what is low ovarian reserve for a 44-year-old is variable. If there is difficulty with producing eggs, I would just have natural cycles and aim to collect as many successful cycles as possible. I would grow the eggs to the blastocyst stage, and I would even consider PGT-A to know that these are euploid embryos. In my opinion, you should take DHEA, do natural cycles or mild, very mild stimulation cycles aiming to produce one or two eggs, blastocyst culture, PGT-A screening. And of course, if you have euploid embryos before you implant them, ensure that you have a normal cavity with the hysteroscopy before implantation.
What is worrying us the most is a lack of knowledge, and that is our constant concern. When we’re designing fertility testing for every woman, every couple, this is something that’s always bothering us. Are we cutting corners? Are we for the sake of the economy, the sake of cost-effectiveness, are we doing good or bad for our patients? Don’t worry about discovering something. These are very standard things thyroid gland is very important for our health, our well-being, metabolism, and of course, fertility, so don’t worry, have a scan, and whatever is found. I’m sure can be treated successfully.
I have a very clear answer, at the moment, there’s no scientific evidence about the value of either testing or treating NK cells. In my practice, I don’t check for it, to be honest.
That’s a very short and very important question. We do it by intensive hormonal measurement, we take great care not to subject the endometrium to high levels of estradiol, and of course, not to very high levels of progesterone. This is how we determine that, and of course, this is doubled by high technologically advanced scanning done by expert consultant gynaecologists. This is how we would justify the implantation window, so harmonically and anatomically. We define this by measuring the estradiol, progesterone, LH levels. We do it every single time we do scanning before the embryo transfer. We ensure that the lining is not just size-wise normal, but also the morphology is normal. Now, what we also keep in mind is that it’s not just the anatomy and the physiology that are important, embryo transfer technique is important as well, who does it, how you do it.
There are still people in Europe, I don’t know about the US, but I do know people in Europe, Western Europe, in The European Union that perform embryo transfers without ultrasound guidance. That could be a factor, I still know people in clinics in Europe where they don’t do mock transfers before the embryo transfer either because they don’t believe it’s important or because they want to save some time and energy or because it’s not feasible. For example, you have your clinic here, and then the patient is stimulated 500 kilometres down the road, and you only see them on the egg collection and embryo transfer, and you’ve never had the chance to do the mock transfer, so embryo transfer is also very important and let’s not forget that.
One of the mechanisms by which the hysteroscopy is increasing the success is ensuring that the embryo transfer would be easy. Why? If we see the stenosis in the cervix on the hysteroscopy and treat it there and then, we ensure that we have an easy embryo transfer even if everything else is normal. It’s not just the window, it’s the embryo transfer, which is important.
The main difference when we use a surrogate is that the surrogate is a fertile woman, that’s the main difference between using a surrogate and using an infertile patient. A surrogate by definition, especially in Greece, where, by definition, they have to have one child of their own, and they have to be of reasonable age between 25-45, they’re fertile women. The indications of performing tests on fertile women are not there. However, we still do many tests, advanced tests, and of course, we equally test the intended parents, especially if they’re providing their genetic material.
The condition of endometriosis decreases fertility. Now, of course, surgery can be very challenging for endometriosis. Endoscopic surgeons have to be very experienced in endoscopic surgery to perform it in such a way so that surgery itself will not damage it. The main and the major damage is done by endometriosis itself. Especially if endometriosis is left either undiagnosed or if we delay the treatment after the diagnosis. It’s not clear-cut whether we should always operate if we have a cyst of two centimetres or five centimetres. Should we operate easier the first time and less easy the second time?
However, I think the take-home message is that endometriosis as a condition is detrimental to fertility. If surgery is advocated, it has to be performed by a very skilled surgeon in a very skilled and technologically advanced environment. In my experience with endometriosis surgery, I think robotic surgery, robotic approach “Da Vinci” is providing us with amazing results, much better than the traditional laparoscopy, especially for challenging cases.
If you have not been diagnosed with endometriosis and if you have no clear indication that you may have endometriosis, the chance is that you will not have it. You may only need a diagnostic laparoscopy, a diagnostic laparoscopy does not need the best experts in the world. I would talk to the GP and see if you can get some health authorities. They’re a little more relaxed about offering a diagnostic laparoscopy to women more than others.
I think the first door is to your GPs door, if it’s a friendly GP just mention that you’re really worried that you have endometriosis because of infertility, abdominal pain, dysmenorrhea, sometimes a little abnormal bleeding. Most women have these symptoms anyway, and if you’re lucky, they can list you and perform a diagnostic laparoscopy. If you have no other clear signs, the chance of having advanced endometriosis that would require advanced surgery is very low.
Make sure you’ve had what I have on my list of tests. Some of them are valid for life, so the genetic tests are valid for life if you’ve had them done, you don’t have to repeat them. Some of them are valid for six months or a year, depending on the results, so that’s my answer whether you need to repeat them or not. We’re always puzzled by the diagnosis of unexplained infertility, I mean, the American colleagues of ours say that there’s no such thing as unexplained fertility, just people who haven’t been investigated enough, so I would just move on. I mean, have some more tests.
On the other hand, the IVF attempt itself is not a huge piece of history to be desperate. I don’t know what your circumstances are, how supportive your environment is and so forth, and of course, the details of your IVF would also guide us. For example, there are different test protocols if you’ve had 5 normal embryos that just didn’t implant versus having had 1 embryo that was not of good quality and didn’t implant. I think someone has to look into your history, tests you’ve done and into the IVF details to form a little protocol for your assessment. I would advise being tested before the second assessment. You’re very welcome to email me if you wish to look into your files and provide further advice.